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I just learned something interesting

  • Jun. 11th, 2008 at 2:19 PM



If you replaced all of the grapes in Mendocino County with Chinese Tallow Tree, you would get the exact amount of biodiesel feedstock needed to supply the county's entire diesel demand.

(Based on 500 gal/acre and 15,000 acres and a diesel demand of nearly 8 mil gallons)

I love wine, but here is the thing: you wouldn't be affecting food production, and let's face it- over the next few years, energy is going to become more valuable than grapes.

Still a lot of research to do, and I am not saying this will ever happen, but it's an interesting thought exercise.

Comments

(Anonymous) wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 01:55 pm (UTC)
The great fuel vs wine debate
That's an interesting thing to think about. My family grows wine grapes in Southern Oregon. A good year yields 4 tons/acre (about 1000 gallons of juice). At $1500/ton, that's $6000/acre. You mentioned 500 gallons/acre from the trees, so it would need to sell for $12/gallon for my Dad to make the same gross selling price as his grapes. Hmmm, expensive. Any idea if the inputs and other costs are comparable? Do the trees have pest or insect problems? Is the oil as easy to get as juicing grapes? Does the pulp have value, or are other parts of the tree valuable?

Now for some fun: I can see it now - fuel for "vintage" cars (2008 was an exceptional year, crisp, with a pleasant tang from a year spent in stainless steel, earthy undertones and a fruity finish to the exhaust).

Dad's theory is that in good times, people can afford to drink expensive wine. In bad times, people just drink more. For the wine grower, it's a win-win situation.

Mendocino county only uses 8 million gallons a year? Good for them.
[info]ybiofuels wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 04:36 pm (UTC)
Re: The great fuel vs wine debate
I guess I'm counting on wine's value decreasing while CTT oil's should rise. Right now, CTT oil is arguably worth about $3-4/gallon for biodiesel production, possibly more. If CTT and grapes meet in the middle at some point in the next few years, you'd have $8/gallon, which still seems really, really high, but then again, we went from $3/gal diesel to $5/gal diesel very quickly. $8/gallon feedstock would make sense if the fuel could sell for around $10/gallon, and is that really such a hard thing to imagine anymore, at least in a few years? It's actually what people in the EU are paying right now.
[info]ybiofuels wrote:
Jun. 12th, 2008 04:39 pm (UTC)
Oh yeah, I forgot a vital component
I'm going to be researching the possibility of growing CTT and sun-chokes (for ethanol) in the same fields. If their yields could be maximized together, then the economics of this look MUCH better.

Of course, people will say that algae is even better, but I have little faith in it at this point. That could change, but I don't like the capital costs, and the complexity, not to mention the seemingly impossible oil extraction.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 4th, 2008 02:36 pm (UTC)
Interested biofuel producer
I'm interested in this potential feedstock. I co-own Rogue Biofuels in Central Point, OR. We contract with local restaurants for our waste vegetable oil. Give me a call sometime and let's talk about this,

Gabe Rowland
Rogue Biofuels
(541)301-9839
www.roguebiofuels.com